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Zitat von ralle1967

Hi Timothy,

I am also following the development on the electronic sales portals since a while.

The question if discounts are negotioable might be a question of the type of RV you are looking for. The smaller ones, up to 3,5 tons total allowed weight are still of high interest and therefore, dealership might be less willing to accept lower offers.

But when I look after anything over 7 tons and especially over 7,5 tons, it appears to me that price are showing a tendency to weaken. Some of the relatively new liner models have all of a sudden better price tags, sometimes 20 - 30 k less as originally offered. But we talk now of models at prices still around and over 300 k Euro.

Regards,

Ralf

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I think that you are right about the situation, especially over 7.5 tons...there seems to be more stock and some discounts already advertised.

Thanks for your thoughts

I have been watching the used liner market on mobile.de for some time.

My subjective impression is that there are some discounts being offered by dealers for used stock, and that quite a number of vehicles have been parked on forecourts for many months.

Do those of you experienced in the German market (which I am not!) consider that it is possible to negotiate prices with dealers at this time? And if so, what level of discount is realistically achievable?

Thanks for your views

Timothy

Zitat von akany

Company structure and insurances is one thing, the french DRIRE the other wone! The most vehicules called "Liner", you can forget for immatriculation in France. Impossible.

How I know? I was living there for over 20 years.

Try Luxemburg or GB, with company immatriculation.

Thanks for your reply

Hi Andreas

thanks for your comment.

GB is not at all straightforward. Having left the EU creates some problems and taxes on imports. Liner owners are finding it quite difficult also to find suitable insurance products in their market, at a reasonable price, as many companies will no longer offer insurance to vehicles over 150K. There is no equivalent company structure as far as I have learned, and most companies will not insure a company owned vehicle, or a non-resident driver.

About Luxemburg I know nothing!

There may be some who replied to this topic who might be interested, so I thought I would update the information I have.

After more exploration I find that it is indeed tiring, and complicated to register in Germany as a non-resident. Not only that but also risky in terms of using a "buddy".......as relationships are complex and can change, particularly where some large sums of money are concerned.

I spoke with a German dealer who investigated the possibility of registering my vehicle at his business address if I am buying from him. His response from his local government agency was something like "....it is possible, but we don't like to do it here in this region......"

My final conclusion is that using a simple company structure in France is the most straightforward and 'clean' if you like me are searching for an ownership solution other than in your country of residence. Some of you might be familiar with the french SCI structure which is often used to hold property in France. This can also be adapted (to an SC) to hold, register, and insure a vehicle.

While there are a number of companies in France which advertise this service online, my firm conclusion having taken legal advice is that it is better to use a French Avocat or legal firm to set up your own dedicated structure. It will cost a little more than the "off the shelf" versions. but I think the extra is small in the scale of the overall picture and you can be more sure of it being 'fit for purpose'.

I hope this might be useful.

Happy travels

Timothy

I am almost certain it is not a fraud, as I have cked the Dealer Website separately.

This Liner was for sale here since middle of last year for €197,000.00.

This looks like a dramatic discount/reduction.

https://such.mobile.de/fahrzeugen/details.html?id=381230516&scopeId=C&action=parkItem

This link is good now!

CONCORDE LINER 990 G + SMART - 2dehands € 160.000 - Alpha Motorhomes - Verkoop Van Nieuwe En 2dehands Motorhomes

2dehands Integraal CONCORDE LINER 990 G + SMART - € 160.000 - INCLUSIEF SMART FOR TWO 16/06/2010 98000 KM 999 CC BENZINE Motor: 250pk, Modeljaar:…

alphamotorhomes.be

I don't know why it is a dead link

Here is the dealer

Maybe somebody likes a nice Concorde at a big discount!

https://such.mobile.de/fahrzeugen/details.html?id=381230516&scopeId=C&action=parkItem

Is this the beginning of a trend lower, or just an outlier?

Zitat von Fantom

Rover

Hello Timothy,

stay here on the German side of the LinerTreff as the English version still doesn´t have enough traffic to support such a question.

I´ve taken the liberty to have your initial post translated and hope that our Users here will have an easier access to your question. You might need Google Translate or a similar tool to translate the German Answers though.

Cheers, Thomas

An die LinerTreff´ler:

Here is a translation of Timothy's opening question. Can you tell him something about that?

VG, Thomas

PS: since the two links below in the source code don't work, here again:

Link to vehicle #1

Link to vehicle #2

Code

Hallo

I am currently looking for a Concorde with which I would like to do long tours in the next 3/5 years, assuming everything is fine, health etc.

Since I'm a beginner and far from the German market, I mainly do my research on mobile.de, although I made a few trips to some dealers in the south last year.

Here are two models that I think seem to meet my needs. I've been following a few threads here, including the Weight and Payload thread, and learned a lot.

I would be happy about any comments:

Here's one that's been on my "watch list" for about a year now! I wonder if anyone here has seen it or knows?

Link to vehicle #1

and here's another one

Link to vehicle #2

Seems interesting too, but already with 3 owners? I wonder if it would be a problem to sell it later with so many owners.

As I said, all comments are welcome.

Greetings from wet and gray Ireland

Timothy

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Thanks Thomas.

Yes, I am using Chrome with Google translate as my standard set-up when on the LinerTreff.

About the links: the first ones I posted somehow are contaminated, so I re-posted them further down the chain, and also now again below.

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=377001284&scopeId=C&action=parkItem

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=377738339&scopeId=C&action=parkItem

Zitat von Andi_G.

Maybe a language problem?

Give it a try on our english version:

just one click on the flag in the header above.

Cheers, Andy

Hi Andy,

Thanks for your suggestion. To follow your suggestion does it mean starting again on the 'english' tab?

I am a little surprised at only one response to my request...is it not an allowed topic or have I misunderstood something?

Even if it is not so much of a contribution, I hoped that it might also have been interesting for others....

Zitat von Toine Stokbroekx

Hands down the Atego. I.m.h.o much nicer interior. + real glas windows, kissmann refrigerator,

Thank you for your reply Toine. I thought I had replied immediately, but forgot to click the final button..

About this one, I had wondered why it has been on sale now for about one year as far as I know......?

Zitat von Rover

Hello

I am currently looking for a Concorde which I intend to use for long touring over the next 3/5 years providing everything goes well with health etc.

As I am a beginner and a long way from the German market, my research is mainly on mobile.de, although last year I made a couple of trips to some dealers in the south.

Here are two models which seem to tick the boxes of what I believe my requirements will be. I have been following some threads here including the "Weight and Payload" one and learn a lot.

I would appreciate any comments :

Here is one which has been on my 'watch list' now for about one year! I wonder if anyone here has seen or knows it?

https://such.mobile.de/fahrzeu…scopeId=C&action=parkItem

and here is another

https://such.mobile.de/fahrzeu…scopeId=C&action=parkItem

also seems interesting but already with 3 owners?..makes me wonder if coming to sell later with so many owners would be a problem.

As said, any comments welcome.

Greetings from wet and grey Ireland

Timothy

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New links posted

Zitat von CIK

Dear Timothy,

The links to mobile did not work.

I think that the just posted new links should work now.

Thanks again for alerting me!

Timothy

Thanks to Cristof I have now reposted the two vehicles that I would love to get some feedback on.

Many thanks

Timothy

This is the first one, which has been fo sale for a year or more..?

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=377001284&scopeId=C&action=parkItem

This is the second

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=377738339&scopeId=C&action=parkItem

Zitat von CIK

Dear Timothy,

The links to mobile did not work.

Wow! Thank you for telling me this!

I will try again now

Timothy

Zitat von Toine Stokbroekx

Hi Timothy,

If you have the opportunity and time to wait I would suggest to visit the salon in Dusseldorf in September. 24 halles with everything from VW vans to 12m long, 3 axes Actros based RV's https://www.caravan-salon.com/

It is even fun if you do not plan to buy a RV.

And I encourage you to keep reading the fora. It took me 4 RV's in 10 years to figure out what works best for us. Obvious things such as size, weight and floorplan. But also details such as how the cupboards are locked so they are easy to open but cannot open while driving. Or how the plumbing should be made. And what is prioritized. We never had airco and TV but our Phoenix, which we bought second hand, has 2 TV and an Airco. TV we have used a few times, airco never. But we love the compressor refrigerator (KIssmann) which we turned out to be a gem. Same with the hydraulic levelling, Never missed it, now I cannot do without.

But what we appreciate most is almost complete lack of rattles in the interior. Our previous RV's were much more noisier when driving over bad roads. And these were not budget models.

The only downside in better recognizing quality in materials, craftmanship etc is that the last one was almost 20x as expensive as the first one and almost 4 times as heavy.

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Hey Toine

thanks very much for your thoughtful response.

"The only downside in better recognizing quality in materials, craftmanship etc is that the last one was almost 20x as expensive as the first one and almost 4 times as heavy."

Well, in the rather long time that I have been researching and moving towards getting 'on the road', my journey has been similar in terms of what I started thinking about and where I am now. I have decided that compromise on space is not worth it for me. I also will not go without black tank, hydraulic levelling and other comforts, so definitely I am moving towards the truck chassis in terms of weight and payload, and of course my budget has grown, and grown again.... I hope to finally get to a conclusion before spring '24!

Best regards

Timothy

Hello

I am currently looking for a Concorde which I intend to use for long touring over the next 3/5 years providing everything goes well with health etc.

As I am a beginner and a long way from the German market, my research is mainly on mobile.de, although last year I made a couple of trips to some dealers in the south.

Here are two models which seem to tick the boxes of what I believe my requirements will be. I have been following some threads here including the "Weight and Payload" one and learn a lot.

I would appreciate any comments :

Here is one which has been on my 'watch list' now for about one year! I wonder if anyone here has seen or knows it?

https://such.mobile.de/fahrzeugen/details.html?id=377001284&scopeId=C&action=parkItem

and here is another

https://such.mobile.de/fahrzeugen/details.html?id=377738339&scopeId=C&action=parkItem

also seems interesting but already with 3 owners?..makes me wonder if coming to sell later with so many owners would be a problem.

As said, any comments welcome.

Greetings from wet and grey Ireland

Timothy

Ciao Giorgio!