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  • Is owning and "Keeping" a motorhome in Germany legally possible for a non-resident?

    Zitat von variokawa

    Hi Timothy, here some news about Italy.


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    Years ago it was not even possible for a citizen residing in Italy to drive a car with a foreign license plate. Now things 
change a bit, but ist not possible for long time


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    I can only give you an Italian example
Another innovation will be in force from 18 March 2022. If the person driving the vehicle with a foreign license plate is someone already resident in Italy, and not the owner, it will be necessary to bring on board a document deducing in what capacity the vehicle was granted to the driver. Furthermore, if the latter uses the car for more than 30 days (even if not continuously in a calendar year) it will be mandatory to register the title and duration of the concession with the Public Automotive Registry (PRA).

The absence of documentation, as verified by the police, will trigger a fine of 250 euros and the administrative detention of the vehicle. The driver will have the obligation to bring the documents to the police station within 30 days: in the event that he does not go to the station with the documentation or if he fails to register with the PRA, a second fine of 727 euros will be imposed.

    Maybe will not helps you, but give you an idea how thing work not fine in other Country too.

    Hi there

    thanks for your report from Italy!

    It is, it seems, exactly the same situation as the situation in Ireland. I think there is a consistency throughout EU on this detail.

    Therefore, the only possibility is to keep a car in a country other than the country where one is resident......or, if you want to store it for example at your home, then one will need a non-resident to deliver it for you.

    Warm regards

    Timothy

  • Is owning and "Keeping" a motorhome in Germany legally possible for a non-resident?

    Zitat von x-file (Frank)

    The “good friend” approach seems to make the most sense to me. Everything else is too complicated and has too many pitfalls. In general, Germany is quite complicated when it comes to residence, taxes and insurance.


    The "good friend" approach seems to make the most sense to me. Everything else is too complicated and has too many pitfalls. In general, Germany is quite complicated in terms of residence, taxes and insurance.

    Hi Frank

    thanks for your thoughts...which I think reflect the situation accurately

    best regards

    Timothy

  • Is owning and "Keeping" a motorhome in Germany legally possible for a non-resident?

    Hello Adrian

    thanks for your thoughts.

    Normally a company structure demands annual returns, directors, chairperson, bank account etc here also. I don't know how onerous that would be in Germany for a simple holding company .......

    When I researched this option in UK/NI the difficulty was in the insurance side...I could not find an insurer there who would accept a resident of Southern Ireland as the "proposer" of the policy, even if I owned the vehicle through a UK/NI registered business.

    The french system has a very simple structure which is exempt from annual returns, and the insurance does not seem to be a problem. And at this point looks like the most viable possibility, except for the importing issue. Life seems complicated!

    Best wishes

    Timothy

  • Is owning and "Keeping" a motorhome in Germany legally possible for a non-resident?

    Zitat von Manne

    Hi there to Ireland. It is really a pitty that Ireland is not really for Liners. I have been there some times, but only by car and for business.


    Back to your topic. I believe the easiest way would be to find a "best buddy" here in Germany who can register your Liner under his own name. You keep the car documents as the proof of ownership and pay for taxes and insurance. So with this you can "hire" the Liner when you want to travel. I know that in many baltic countries it is very commen to do so. They bring the car back to hometown even. If you go to e.g. Rumania, you will see many cars with German number plate.


    I don´t know if this is legal or not, but I it must be somehow as I have seen the proof many times.

    Hi Nina & Manne

    I hope you enjoyed your trips here to Ireland & thank you for your thoughts. We have quite a developed trade relationship with Germany right from first we joined the EU many years ago. And quite a few large German manufacturing plants. In fact, how I met my wife, also many years ago!

    "They bring the car back to hometown even...." for sure this would be not legal here in Ireland.


    "Back to your topic. I believe the easiest way would be to find a "best buddy" here in Germany who can register your Liner under his own name. You keep the car documents as the proof of ownership and pay for taxes and insurance."

    I think that you are right. This looks like a possible pathway.....as long as the insurance contract was transparent about the main driver. I wondered if a dealer might offer this arrangement as an incentive to make a sale..... While I have some connections in Germany I am not sure that I would ask an individual to do this for me..maybe I am being too reserved.


    Happy travels!

    Timothy

  • Is owning and "Keeping" a motorhome in Germany legally possible for a non-resident?

    Thank you Michael. It is at least nice to know that there is at least one other that has considered this option...I am not a total outlier!!

    The situation that you describe is as I see it a little more nuanced:

    Yes you are correct that it is illegal to register a car in another country and then to drive it in your country of residence. In my case for example, if I were to drive a vehicle registered to me outside of Ireland (Germany) onto an Irish road, the vehicle could be immediately impounded and heavy penalties imposed. My friend who is not an Irish resident, could drive it here of course with me as a passenger as long as the vehicle is insured taxed etc.

    However, it is quite legal for me to own and register a car in a country other than my country of residence, as long as I don't bring it and drive it myself at 'home' in Ireland.

    For example, there are very many citizens of EU countries who own or rent longterm apartments/villas in Spain, where they quite legally own, keep and drive legally registered cars. The main point seems to be the necessity for an address for registration, correspondence etc as Martin described above for Germany. For France it is similar, where a company address, or that of a friend, will suffice as I understand it. This is a regular topic on a UK forum that I participate on.

    This is why I look at the ease of access for me to Frankfurt Hahn, or Toulouse in France where a vehicle could be kept, outside of Ireland, for example.

    Of course I have no knowledge of the situation in Austria, and the statements above are my limited understanding as a layman who has done some research.

    My sympathy on the 34% tax in Austria.....what happened to the idea of free movement of goods & services?! :rolleyes:

    Also as Martin referred to above, the institutions always offer the simple official response, and not always the best response for the individual! Some digging underneath can sometimes yield results!

    Best wishes to you

    Timothy

  • Is owning and "Keeping" a motorhome in Germany legally possible for a non-resident?

    Hi Martin

    wow, many thanks for taking the time to research and post all this information.

    Because I have already spent quite some time exploring the possibility of doing this in UK/Northern Ireland and France, I wonder if I am getting the sense of a familiar circular dance that does not sometimes move forward:

    The EVB number from the car insurance company as proof of car insurance (no car may be registered in Germany without an EVB number!) I wonder if it will be quite complicated to make the insurance agreement in what you quite correctly call "a niche topic"....my experience from earlier research says that insurance companies do not like anything "niche".....the common response being some version of "the computer says no" ! :D

    While my wife has some distant family in Germany, I'm not sure that I would ask them or my friends there to join in such an enterprise, which I guess could be quite a stress. I had wondered previously if a dealer, in the interest of making the sale, might engage in such an arrangement? I was offered something like this in Belgium but it was somewhat unclear in the end & with a lot of money at stake.......it would need to be of course watertight.

    I will digest further

    Thanks again

    Timothy

  • Is owning and "Keeping" a motorhome in Germany legally possible for a non-resident?

    For those who did not read my introduction, here is some context for my question.

    I live in South of Ireland. This is not at all Liner country. The reasons are various:

    There is no tradition of this kind of vehicle here and I know of only one rather new liner, owned by a person in the motor trade. Sometimes you might see an old bus or American motorhome registered here but usually that would be of a low value.

    We do not have the roads or facilities for large liners.

    Import costs of, for examp[e, a used car include a vehicle registration tax at 13%, which will be charged on a figure decided by the taxing office, and unknowable in advance. The taxing office may take the purchase invoice, then add 13%, and then again 13% on top of the now 113% value arrived at. A car purchased for 200K becomes 226K and then quickly 255.380K. They may also decide to increase the baseline for their calculations to any number above the Invoice value, arriving at any fanciful number they wish.

    The final, and insurmountable problem is that insurance above a value over 150K or over 7t is seemingly impossible to achieve here. (I am envious of your discussions here about insurance products available to the German market! Many options available from a variety of providers and the prices look very reasonable to me)

    So rather than give up my liner project I decided to research the possibility of owning/registering a car in another nearby EU state.

    In France, there is a possibility of using a simple and inexpensive company structure known as Societé Civile for this purpose.

    But, as it is most likely that I will find a Liner that suits my purpose in Germany, then there arises the complication of importing to and registering in France. Not too difficult, but an amount of french bureaucracy to engage with.

    So this is a long introduction again to the question in the title!: Is it possible for a resident of another EU country to own and keep a car in Germany?

    As it happens, Frankfurt Hahn would be very easy destination for me to commute to from where I live, so the logistics on that side seem possible.

    Any ideas or feedback are welcome.

    I have some other questions on the project but I will post them as separate threads.

    Thank you for this forum where I learn a lot while keeping quiet!

    Irish Rover

  • Preisentwicklung der Hersteller

    So when I read this new idea to me about "BURNED" I decided to do a little research myself. I have had the vehicle listed below on my watch list on mobile.de for almost a year. It could be on the site longer, but I notice it around November last year. Two weeks ago it went "NO LONGER AVAILABLE" so I assumed sold.

    However!!, having read your post I went direct to the seller's site and lo and behold! here it is listed as a "New" listing. Maybe this proves your point at least in this one case!?

    About 6 months ago I contacted the seller with some queries, but he did not seem to have much time/attention to give to the matter, so I thought it could be even more difficult to get his attention when the money would already be paid over! So I did not pursue the matter. I dont know of course, it is just one experience.


    (If it is okay to ask here, what are the opinions of this model/specification of Concorde? I have not seen many similar? If this question is not okay, apologies!!)



    https://home.mobile.de/AUTOZENTRUMMOBILEDRESDENGMBH#des_371976488

  • Greetings from Ireland.

    Hello Jurgen

    thank you for your welcome and thoughts!

    You are correct in bringing attention to the regulations about driving a 'foreign' registered car in the home country. In my case, it is absolutely forbidden for me to drive a foreign registered car in Ireland except in very limited and defined circumstances. The consequence is that when I will form a French company to purchase/hold the car, I will need to register, insure and keep the car in France, except when in use, and not use it at all in Ireland. The technic exam also to be done also in France.


    Unfortunately, I don't think that there is a structure available in Germany to a non-resident to do this. If there is it would be much more convenient for me as it is most probable that I will find a car in Germany, and then I will have the additional palaver of importing it to France... If you have some information about such a possibility in Germany I would be happy to hear it, though I failed to find it in my research online & asking one large dealer about it.

    Your idea of renting a liner of course makes sense & I have looked at this possibility. In the meantime I keep my truck license up to date with additional required training for my commercial permit, and will drive some trucks a few hours only for the business of a friend occasionally, just to keep myself 'in form'.

    Warm regards

    Timothy

  • Greetings from Ireland.

    Hello Rick!

    Thank you for your warm welcome, and also for your very nice feedback.......one does the best one can to make our life environment pleasant, including online :-))


    Thanks also for your offer of support...I can imagine that at some point in this process I will be grateful to lean on whatever support I can find. It looks to me that my best buying options will certainly be in Germany, and this will pose some extra challenges from the point of view of language and my lack of familiarity with contract conditions etc locally. In some ways this makes looking at dealers more attractive, even if the possibility of a better price could be with a private sale.....


    About Harleys :P , I could never call myself a "Biker", though I did own a nice Sportster 1200 and a Moto Guzzi California back in the day. Amateur level riding to be sure! I did go recently for a test drive on a beautiful Harley Heritage Classic, M8. I had the intention to buy a last Harley! But wow! the power. I found that my body, my reaction time and frankly, my nerves were not the same as the last time I rode which was nearly 20 years ago!!...so I handed back the bike with a regret and an acceptance that perhaps it is time for a scooter! or even an ebike instead :D ;( Riding a Harley on a good day is to be envied only now I fear.

    Best wishes & thanks again

    Timothy